wow RR; iv'e read a lot of your posts and know you have alot of knowledge of the wt and old wt books.if i correct you also do a gerat job exposing the jw's, but your last post about 1874 and light bulbs, telegraph,isreal etc. really makes me wonder how you could fall for this stuff it's like you jumped from the frying pan into the fire. i'm allways throwing stuff like the typewriter, steamlocomotive, etc at my jw dad just to show him what a bunch of kooks the wt was 100 years ago. just to piss him off about proper food at the proper time. the funny thing about all this increased knowledge 100 years ago is not one of these inventions was invented by god's choosen bible students. Thomas edison was the most active inventor of the time. guess he must have had god's sprit A(144k) ? one thing you posted i'm sure the wt loved at the time , was the cheap bulk paper. john
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C.T. Russell Claimed Modern Inventions Were Harbingers of the Millennium
by Kenneson inthe april 15, 1915 zion's watch tower, page 126 has an interesting brief article entitled "the typewriter and progress" that is certainly worth perusing.. "amongst the great inventions of our day is the typewriter.
it came upon the market just forty years ago, in 1874, as a merchantable and usable convenience, after having been seven years in process of development.
the bible, we believe, marks the same year, 1874, as the beginning of the harvest of this age.
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1914--It is still there. The more they change the more they stay the same.
by jayhawk1 ina relative of mine had some jehovah's witnesses stop by and give her the august 1, 2004, watchtower.
much to my surprise, well not really, i found this on page 5 in the article gods kingdom government.
it says, "rather than being an abstract condition of the herart, god's kingdom is a real government thta has accomplished wonderful deeds since its inauguration in heaven it 1914.".
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danny as always good post; the facts of the matter was that mi8ller after 1844 and 2 false prophicies never claimiecd to be a bible scholar again . he was nothing more than a war of 1812 officier. with no real bible knowledge much as russell, stoors, wendenn, bourbar etc that the wt followed. it's was just the blind following the blind john
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johnny cip
mini ; i posted on your last thread the calling the police while you have them in your house giving you the 3rd degree and getting and order of harrassement to spring board into an order of protection is the best way to get them out of your hair.. it truely works and will have the jw's crap in thier pants when the cops show up. you have to know when you had enough and family matters will not affect you . when you do this, and it's free . i'll say it again it's the best way to get rid of unwanted jw intrusions into your relegious freedoms. as you can fine follow the wt's lead ........when the heat gets to hot let the law work for you. in reverse. john
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Please help! ( I have a question?)
by bsylva inmy question is this,.
and she loves me as well.
however i was baptised as a catholic as a child.
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drop her like a hot potatoe; find a nice girl that will not judge you on your religion. lots out there looking for a clean guy. you will curse yourself for the next 50 years for marring a jw witch . you will have to just to trust me on this. hope you find true love . john
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Local Elder Comes By My Work & He Left Looking Discouraged!
by minimus inan elder that lives in the same area as my work came by and noticed i was waiting on customers.
he left and waited for them to leave.
then he came back in.
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either way amac.; it is an emergency to some one who is getting thier brains scrambled from someone that will not let them live , in freedom of religion and peace liberity and the american way. as you know the wt will use any and all laws of the land to get their way. even when it comes to kissing up to the u.n. my dad pulled the same crap on me when he called the cops on me dozens of times. crying to babylon the great that i was infringing on his freedom of religion. when infact he started it all with , wt doctrine he couldn't back up. he should have kept his mouth shut. but no he couldn't till he got caught with his foot down his throat. then it was 911 he called. who taught him to act this way?. going against my freedoms the constutition gave me. the whole point is to get the cops to your place to get these persons will will not let you live in freedom of religion to let them reap what they sow. just as they would do to someone else. john
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IMPORTANT IDEA! Petition the Society and embaress them for their hubris
by Terry ini may have an important idea!
(beginner's luck).. what if we all (and i mean every last one of us; big numbers of people) wrote a scathing and precise petition or letter of protest (as an open letter) to the governing body of jehovah's witnesses and released it to the press on a slow news day with lots of fanfare?.
we would "call out" the rascals in no uncertain terms citing our grievances (like the founding fathers to george iii) and enumerating our personal suffering under the policies we want changed.. the list would include setting themselves up as little dictators speaking in god's name and issuing papal decrees upon penalty of excommunication.. we could demand apologies for stealing the future of children born to jw families who lose the happiness of childhood through worthless pharisaic adherence to blind rules such as no birthdays, christmas, easter, holidays in general, etc.
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an other web site is not what's needed. we have plenty of them already. i would guess to say that less than .001% of people with the internet even go to jw sites.i think a campaign to other churches to warn their followers about the wt , may be the most effective method. as thes people are religious, which will have a domino effect. or a mass media onslault . writing the wt is a waist of time. un less you call them out in the media, even then they are master of deception, on how they answer. public awareness is the only way. john
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Local Elder Comes By My Work & He Left Looking Discouraged!
by minimus inan elder that lives in the same area as my work came by and noticed i was waiting on customers.
he left and waited for them to leave.
then he came back in.
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mini ; i'm glad to see that you and i see eye to eye . when it comes to being pressured as i posted some time before. i did call the cops on the jw's coming to my wife's house . while i let them think they were giving me a study. i called the cops and the cops fill out a harrassement report. and told the jw's if they came back , i would go to court and get a restraining order. it's the most effective way to get them out of your hair before and or after you have it out with them. the choice is yours or any other faders when you get fed up with them. the best part is while you have then in your house and excuse your self for a few minutes. the call to 911 is free. and the results of the cops showing up to ask them to leave and file a report is most embarrasing. this works especially well for the timid who can't handle the elders, let the law do it for you. john
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1914--It is still there. The more they change the more they stay the same.
by jayhawk1 ina relative of mine had some jehovah's witnesses stop by and give her the august 1, 2004, watchtower.
much to my surprise, well not really, i found this on page 5 in the article gods kingdom government.
it says, "rather than being an abstract condition of the herart, god's kingdom is a real government thta has accomplished wonderful deeds since its inauguration in heaven it 1914.".
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yes blondie: this is how they proclaim the 42 months. funny thing is none of it applies to rutherfraud and his 6 friends who only went to prison for 10 months. and got out on bond. while over 1000 other persons sent to jail for going against the sedition act stayed in jail till 1933 when f.d.r. let them all out.they were never killed and the wt publishing co. was never shut down. but many other newpapers were closed down. and many were killed for talking out against the gov't in ww1. they only got into trouble in late 1917 then trial in spring 1918 ,june in fact. the wt went under the radar from 1914-1917 till the u.s. joined the war . then they even took 15 pages out of the finished mystery, to make the gov't happy.it was mostly a bunch of letters that the wt wrote to army officers. telling them to shoot over the enemy's heads that got them in trouble. keep in mind that rutherfraud was polotically connected to a point from his earlier days in the democratic party. he pulled every trick out of the book to keep from prison. from lobbing the atty, general of the u.s. to printing many favorable articles in the wt about the flag, the league of nations, the u.s. winnin8g the war. to celebrating mermorial day. he was great at playing both sides against the middle. and it worked for him . john
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1914--It is still there. The more they change the more they stay the same.
by jayhawk1 ina relative of mine had some jehovah's witnesses stop by and give her the august 1, 2004, watchtower.
much to my surprise, well not really, i found this on page 5 in the article gods kingdom government.
it says, "rather than being an abstract condition of the herart, god's kingdom is a real government thta has accomplished wonderful deeds since its inauguration in heaven it 1914.".
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the wt uses the 31/2 years in rev and the 3 years from the baptism of christ till his death. to cover over the false prophecies of the end of the world in oct 1914 and the spring of 1918 they were even saying the 3 1/2 years of ww1 was armageddom and the world had ended.and in 42 months they would all be in heaven (1920-21)then they added 7 years to 1918 to say the world would end in 1925. the funny thing about all this . is they pulled the same crap in 1874-1878thenshot for 1874+7yrs to go to heaven in 1881 they also played with dates like 1799 1780,1798, 1829. 1844 1865,1872 73 75 76 ,1905-07 1910-12 and 1915@ 1930 all these old dates went out the window and they switched all the 1874-78-81 stuff to 1914-1918-19. and that's the lie we have today..john
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IMPORTANT IDEA! Petition the Society and embaress them for their hubris
by Terry ini may have an important idea!
(beginner's luck).. what if we all (and i mean every last one of us; big numbers of people) wrote a scathing and precise petition or letter of protest (as an open letter) to the governing body of jehovah's witnesses and released it to the press on a slow news day with lots of fanfare?.
we would "call out" the rascals in no uncertain terms citing our grievances (like the founding fathers to george iii) and enumerating our personal suffering under the policies we want changed.. the list would include setting themselves up as little dictators speaking in god's name and issuing papal decrees upon penalty of excommunication.. we could demand apologies for stealing the future of children born to jw families who lose the happiness of childhood through worthless pharisaic adherence to blind rules such as no birthdays, christmas, easter, holidays in general, etc.
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this is something that has to be on a regular basic ie once a week or month. on the order of maybe breaking down this months wt study , in a one page article. many ideas to work with, the big question is how to get into the media, without much cost? silent lambs has been trying this for a few years , with limited results. i mean how much of the public remember the dateline show. except x jw's. it's workable , but we would need to have something new every few weeks, to keep the media's attention. john